I have had the pleasure of speaking with Mark several times. While I was studying for my Doctor of Ministry I emailed him out of the blue and asked if we could get together and talk about the discipline of Sabbath. To my amazement, he invited me to coffee, and we spend the next hour or so talking about scripture, the Christian life, and how where Sabbath fits into it all.

So, when I began having these conversations around the notion of spiritual discouragement, I knew that I wanted to involve a conversation with Mark in some way. Gracious as always, he made time in his busy schedule to record this conversation. I know that you will be blessed by our conversation.